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theEPICgameKING
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Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.)
I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons.
Supporting evidence: the following skit:
What's your reason?
Setting: A gun shop, modern day.
A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please."
The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?"
The Customer says "I need one for personal protection."
The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell."
The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!"
The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left.
Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun."
Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks.
The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting."
The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy.
The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states.
The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff.
Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says.
The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot!
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet.
The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!"
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves.
Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says.
The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other".
"Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly.
The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer.
"Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows.
"Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"

Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!

The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?

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Masterforger
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That's true Master, everyone in the military pretty much hates him (Obama) as is so I suppose we'll always have at least a big chunk of it anyway

I take it you work in the military? -_-
What I meant was that the military would not follow a government that is corrupt, too many men would realize that this was going against what America was founded on. I did not mean the military would follow out of sheer spite towards Obama.
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What I meant was that the military would not follow a government that is corrupt, too many men would realize that this was going against what America was founded on.


Under the current situation this is true, however there can be situation where the military can be easily exploited because of its very nature.

That's true Master, everyone in the military pretty much hates him (Obama) as is so I suppose we'll always have at least a big chunk of it anyway


Do you no longer have any credible arguments to make?
Kasic
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Do you no longer have any credible arguments to make?


No longer? That would mean he made some credible arguments. All I've seen are paranoid ramblings on how he mistakenly believes that if the citizens have guns that somehow prevents a dictator ship.
Kasic
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Forgot to include my picture.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Dictator-ship_28015b_3173211.jpg

Deth666
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What I meant was that the military would not follow a government that is corrupt, too many men would realize that this was going against what America was founded on.


That's naive, the US military has committed plenty of atrocities. Regular god fearing upright soldiers have shot unarmed innocent people. Heck, take a look at the National Guard they've actually murdered Americans. By the dozens, men, women, and children. Sure, it was a little while ago but it still happened. They're not on our side. We are on theirs, for as long as it suits those in power. I'm not paranoid and I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. I'm not against the National Guard or the Military. I generally like them. I just remember what happened in history.
thepunisher93
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I take it you work in the military? -_-
What I meant was that the military would not follow a government that is corrupt, too many men would realize that this was going against what America was founded on. I did not mean the military would follow out of sheer spite towards Obama.

Military is programmed to follow orders, sure they will come around and realize their fault in the long run.
Masterforger
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And you think a bunch of idiots with light guns will stop that? Even during your revolution you needed the French to overthrow English. If the military ever cracked down on you under tyrannical rule, you couldn't do ****

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Even during your revolution you needed the French to overthrow English. If the military ever cracked down on you under tyrannical rule, you couldn't do ****
French then lost the war that followed.

And nothing civilians have can hope to take out the U.S. army, it isn't one of the most powerful armies in the world for no reason.

~~~Darth Caedus
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Takeing away the possibility of aquireing legal firearms won't stop those who have evil on thier minds from getting firearms most crimes commited with firearms are illegally purchased firearms anyways all that will stop is those people who intend to stop those people from doing those evil acts. Japan has a country wide ban on firearms and it hasn't helped them a bit. Sunday, June 8th Tokoyo, Japan Akihabara shopping complex a man drives a truck into a crowd allready killing two people and injuring three then he proceeds to get out of the truck and stab down 12 people, with a kitchen knife he brought from his home, killing four and injuring 8 three of which were police officers who weren't armed with any sort of firearm and had no power to stop this man. This man's name was Tomohiro Kato and 12 days later he was sentenced to death. he killed 7 people and injured 10 all with out the help of a firearm. we don't need to ban firearms we need to take more percations to make sure they don't get in the wrong hands.

partydevil
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plz. read some pages befor posting.
we got over those points many times already.
(are we gonna do it again?)

Kasic
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we don't need to ban firearms we need to take more percations to make sure they don't get in the wrong hands.


This single sentence is more effective than the rest of your post.
TheMostManlyMan
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No people's, I am not in the military, but my brother knows a few people who are and at least around these parts everyone in the military hates him.

Ha! Take that! Even if they do make it an executive order the states aren't taking it easy. Some states are talking about passing laws so that said states don't have to follow any no gun laws and Wisconsin I believe it was is talking about a law that allows for the arrest of federal gun takers. So really even if there's an executive order it doesn't really do much of anything except in calefornia (and there wouldn't be much to take away there) and states like it.

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"Federal gun takers" LOL HAHAHAHA omg thats hilarious! MostlyMan, You crack me up!

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Some states are talking about passing laws so that said states don't have to follow any no gun laws and Wisconsin I believe it was is talking about a law that allows for the arrest of federal gun takers. So really even if there's an executive order it doesn't really do much of anything except in calefornia (and there wouldn't be much to take away there) and states like it.


Federal Law trumps State Law
TheMostManlyMan
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Whatever you want to call them!

And the constitution supercedes any laws that the president canals but look at how that's going.

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