I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
I dont know why an atheist would try to talk a christian out of his faith...
No it's the Christians trying to get the Atheists to convert. Another thing I love how Christians ask for so much evidence when they provide none. Absolutely nothing compared to Atheists.
just read what the others said. you know i'm not the best in spelling / communication in english. so you pick me to get your ars on. what they say makes so much more sense then any of your religionos bullpoo.
Jesus ****ing Christ. I'm not religious. I've told you that. And I have not ****ing been arguing that there is a **** afterlife.
I have not been debating with you. I am asking you a question, which you couldn't answer. I don't care if anyone else answers it, because that's not the point. It seemed as if you were at a loss to explain what drove you to the assumption that there is nothing after death. You claimed it was logic, but that's no more of an answer than faith. Logically, it's impossible to know what comes after death because it's illogical for us to assume that we can comprehend the lack of consciousness.
From what you've said, it seems like you've just hopped on the Atheist bandwagon, standing behind them yelling "Yeah! Right!", yet, again, you seemed at a loss to explain what drove you there.
I'm not interested in religion. I don't particularly care whether an afterlife exists or not. That has no effect on the world. however, belief, in many things, shapes the world. I just found it curious to see a blind follower of logical thinking.
No it's the Christians trying to get the Atheists to convert. Another thing I love how Christians ask for so much evidence when they provide none. Absolutely nothing compared to Atheists.
See that's kind of interesting, because it seems like the Atheists are trying to use logic and science to get Christians to renounce their faith, while the Christians are trying to use faith to get Atheists to reject science and (generally) logic. It's a debate that goes in circles, and is rather pointless unless the goal is conversion either way, which is the only thing that can really come out of this.
I dont know why an atheist would try to talk a christian out of his faith...
Because faith is a baseless point to work from. Faith is just believing without proof, this is just gullibility. Now I don't care if the person continues to be a theist or even Christian specifically. (Though if faith is eliminated I don't see how they could.) Instead of holding faith in your religion, hold reason in your religion. But then, could we still call it religion?
Then why did atheists come into this thread when pyro said it was meant for christians?
Mostly I wanted to cover the clearly false statements that were bound to come up, such as "evolution doesn't happen". Also to question the religion itself. Being exclusive only indicates you just want to hear one side of things.
I have not been debating with you. I am asking you a question, which you couldn't answer. I don't care if anyone else answers it, because that's not the point. It seemed as if you were at a loss to explain what drove you to the assumption that there is nothing after death.
I think what he's trying to get at is other peoples responses were far better worded and in agreement with what he would have to say. In other words the answers others gave, were his answers as well. Instead of just reiterating what others said in a poorer manner he just pointed to them.
I just found it curious to see a blind follower of logical thinking.
That's a contradiction in terms. Logical thinking involves inductive and deductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning is based on observations while deductive reasoning involves a process of investigation.
I think what he's trying to get at is other peoples responses were far better worded and in agreement with what he would have to say. In other words the answers others gave, were his answers as well. Instead of just reiterating what others said in a poorer manner he just pointed to them.
Nobody's forcing you to talk with me. If you can't back up your claims in English, and simply resort to isults and conformation of other's words, than it seems a little pointless to be here, no?
That's a contradiction in terms. Logical thinking involves inductive and deductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning is based on observations while deductive reasoning involves a process of investigation.
I know it's a contradiction. That's why I found it fascinating. As far as I had seen, he'd said it was logic, but made no effort to explain that logic. So I asked him. Is that not allowed?
Because faith is a baseless point to work from. Faith is just believing without proof, this is just gullibility. Now I don't care if the person continues to be a theist or even Christian specifically. (Though if faith is eliminated I don't see how they could.) Instead of holding faith in your religion, hold reason in your religion. But then, could we still call it religion?
faith is not gullibility. Gullibility is gullibility. Faith is believing in something because to you it feels true, regardless of what other's say, and regardless of where things point. And thus, arguing against faith serves no purpose either, because faith is not shakeable, any more than you could shake your faith that logic is the only key to understanding the world around us.
And your forgetting the thousands and thousands of pages of proof they already have. While I'll certainly admit that most writings in any holy text sound completely impossible, it was proof enough for Jesus' followers when he lived, and proof enough for them now, regardless of any logic you attempt to explain.
