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stormwolf722
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Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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macfan1
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As you can see organisms are very complex.

master565
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I just thought of this. If humans evolved from apes, then why do apes still exist?


They didn't, they're from a common ancestor.

And the hyena that evolved into a whale


Once again, it didn't, they evolved from a common ancestor.

Oh I thought I'd show this to everyone.


Why? You didn't present any organism that fits this description.
macfan1
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I ask everyone on this thread to go through the entire sight, and tell me what you think of it (like magegraywolf). READ IT. Don't just glance at it and scoff at it.

master565
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I ask everyone on this thread to go through the entire sight


I assume you meant "site", but either way, what site?
macfan1
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Sorry ya, I meant site. And this is the SITE.

http://www.icr.org/

master565
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Nothing on that site &quotroves" creationism, as it says it does, what it does is either say that god did something, without giving any reason why (such as here), or pose a question that evolution can't necessarily answer for sure, yet (such as here). The first of these two things is useless, and the second doesn't prove creationism, it just may disprove evolutionism.

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Can you please keep all your posts in one train of thought, instead of several successive posts, please?

If humans evolved from apes, then why do apes still exist?


We did come from apes. Just not the modern apes that are present in this world. Humans, apes, chimpanzees, Rhesus, and other species had a converging common ancestor that lived in a time period before early humans existed which was over 12,000 years ago. The time period for the latest common ancestor was in the millions. When dealing with the Evolutionary process, you have to understand that said process is extremely slow. You cannot take a couple generations of species and expect something completely different. They are very minute, incremental changes that happen over the course of tens of thousands of years.

And the hyena that evolved into a whale


The same is true for these two species, though the time periods and processes different. This pair and the primate pair all undergone the Evolutionary processes, however, which were in short Natural Selection, Speciation, Survival of the Fittest, Bottlenecking, and Geographical Isolation.

Organs are very complex, you are correct in that matter. However, it did not always be like this. The most complex of human brains can be traced back to a simple sensory organ that detected food and temperature in the earliest of life's history.
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Evolution might just mutation just happened to be better adapted

MageGrayWolf
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The de-evolution in the last paragraph? I'm not so sure. I don't have a PHD.


Yes, that is one. There really isn't such a thing as de-evolution. Evolution doesn't say that a species can't reacquire previous features. Certain features on a genetic level can be turned off and turned back on at a later point.

You don't need a PHD for this stuff, just some basic education and critical thinking skills. (got a laugh at that site claiming to promote critical thinking)

Another thing that article got wrong.
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This is variation and adaptation, not evolution.
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These variations and adaptations is decent with modification i.e. evolution.

I just thought of this. If humans evolved from apes, then why do apes still exist? And the hyena that evolved into a whale, why is hyenas still around. Aren't they supposed to all have changed into whales by now?


not all groups of apes evolved into humans. We diversified, with some resulting in other and others taking a different evolutionary path to become chimps and Gorilla, etc.
As for whales, they evolved from a hyena like animal, not hyenas. the hyena like animal wasn't even a primitive form of hyena and whale.

If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.
-- Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species


Oh come on! We went over this one on your profile, this is just a quote mine. Something I would expect better from you by now after seeing the trouncing on that creationist site.

Anyway for those not keeping up further on after the quote above Darwin says this.

"Again, two distinct organs, or the same organ under two very different forms, may simultaneously perform in the same individual the same function, and this is an extremely important means of transition: to give one instance,â�"there are fish with gills or branchiæ that breathe the air dissolved in the water, at the same time that they breathe free air in their swimbladders, this latter organ being divided by highly vascular partitions, and having a ductus pneumaticus for the supply of air. To give another instance from the vegetable kingdom: plants climb by three distinct means, by spirally twining, by clasping a support with their sensitive tendrils, and by the emission of aërial rootlets; these three means are usually found in distinct groups, but some few species exhibit two of the means, or even all three, combined in the same individual. In all such cases one of the two organs might readily be modified and perfected so as to perform all the work, being aided during the progress of modification by the other organ; and then this other organ might be modified for some other and quite distinct purpose, or be wholly obliterated." -Origin of Species

In other words we don't have such an example that would cause the theory to break down. We do have complex organs that formed by numerous, successive slight modifications.
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Are you plagiarizing? But your conterpoints were very interesting. But I thought moderators were like neutral or something. Well, ya I think they can take sides.
macfan1
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Can you please keep all your posts in one train of thought, instead of several successive posts, please?


Ok, I will.

The time period for the latest common ancestor was in the millions.


Oh wait a second, scientists still can't figure out a common ancestor. Evolution scientists keep arguing with each other. Creation scientists all believe on the same thing.

United we stand, divided we fall.
-Abraham Lincoln
macfan1
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If there is a common ancestor, it has to have come from something, or someone. It can't just create itself!

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Are you plagiarizing?


No, he's not. He's saying where he got it from.

Anyway for those not keeping up further on after the quote above Darwin says this
-Origin of Species


He just copy/pasted the rest of the quote which you left out.

But I thought moderators were like neutral or something


Moderators have opinions too. They are neutral in that they will make sure the rules are upheld by all, but they can voice their thoughts as well.

scientists still can't figure out a common ancestor.


...Yes, they can.

. Creation scientists all believe on the same thing.


*laughs hysterically* I have NEVER seen any two religious people, or anyone for that matter, believe the exact same thing. This is why there's thousands of Christian denominations alone.

United we stand, divided we fall.


Doesn't matter how united you are if you're simply wrong.
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Creation scientists all believe on the same thing.

Contradiction.

Oh wait a second, scientists still can't figure out a common ancestor


You're going to have to explain on this sentence more. There isn't just "one" common ancestor, as I'm hoping you understand, since all species that once existed is "linked in chains" so to speak. One preludes the other(s), others meaning multiple species can arise from one common ancestor, as has been demonstrated MANY times before.
http://www.macroevolution.net/images/human-evolution-timeline-500-347-25.jpg

Macroevolution.net is an excellent source for knowledge pertaining to this field. This isn't a .com website, so this domain isn't active for money. Net's, Org's, and Gov's are abundant sources, but be wary of which is and isn't objectively verified by peer-reviewed sources.
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If there is a common ancestor, it has to have come from something, or someone. It can't just create itself!


And this is what we are explaining to you right now. Except they are being created by themselves. Descent with Modification. A word that has been said multiple times during your stay here. Please look up this word. Common ancestors aren't made by "others" as you're trying to imply.
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