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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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partydevil
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i know that. but a large part of science is based on just this one theory,


no it is not. it is just that evolution is the most debated theory of them all. and that is because evolution is in contradiction whit almost any religion.

if we get to know just as much about abiogenesis as we know about evolution alrdy and it seems that abiogenesis is just as right as evolution is. then we have &quotroof" about how life has started and we can kick god compleetly out of the picture.



but you are making it very hard.


get it out. go to church tomorrow and confess. thats all you need to do xD just say: hey god. srry about yesterday. that guy on i-net was a f*cktard.
partydevil
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I doubt English is his first language, he lives in the Netherlands.


this is i-net. i-net is not only there for the english people. so get used to it.
ShinyCowBeast
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theories whose subject matter does not (only) concern empirical data, but rather ideas
from your link, kasic. sounds to me like this is saying theories include ideas, and are not 100% fact.
no it is not. it is just that evolution is the most debated theory of them all.

for just a quick example, every single timeline in science includes evolution as if it is fact, while it is still only a theory
partydevil
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every single timeline in science includes evolution as if it is fact


what do you mean by "timeline in science" ?
Avorne
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only a theory


So's gravity - I don't hear you complaining about that.
ShinyCowBeast
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like in a science textbook they will be talking about someting, and a timeline of, lets say animal groups (mammal reptile etc) comes up. the beginning of the timeline is always about how the animals all started as the same cell. i would have thought someone involved in a discussion like this would know what a timeline is

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Well, religion is only a theory. We have no way of proving it.

ShinyCowBeast
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So's gravity - I don't hear you complaining about that

that would be because we are discussing evolution not gravity. i would say gravity is also a theory strictly sticking to the definition of the word, if we were talking about that
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Well, religion is only a theory. We have no way of proving it.

i think there is a lot of evidence. how about this: iraq has all this oil. the oil comes from plants. that is most likely where the garden of eden was. the bible says that the garden of eden was between two rivers (tigris and euphrates) does that not also confirm the location?

do we need to go back to previous discussion?
partydevil
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like in a science textbook they will be talking about someting, and a timeline of, lets say animal groups (mammal reptile etc) comes up. the beginning of the timeline is always about how the animals all started as the same cell. i would have thought someone involved in a discussion like this would know what a timeline is


i know what a timeline is but ive never heared of a "timeline of science" the timeline you just discribet is the evolution timeline.

and if you want to know where this 1st living cell came from you have to go to abiogenesis and leave evolution and it's theory + all it's evidense behind.

also have i never called evolution a scientific fact but always refered to it as scientific theory. but people call it a scientific fact because the evidense for evolution is so overwhelming that it can been seen as fact.

wiki: evolutions as theory and fact.
partydevil
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Well, religion is only a theory. We have no way of proving it.

i think there is a lot of evidence. how about this: iraq has all this oil. the oil comes from plants. that is most likely where the garden of eden was. the bible says that the garden of eden was between two rivers (tigris and euphrates) does that not also confirm the location?

do we need to go back to previous discussion?


you see that as proof for the bible? but you can't believe all the real evidense for evolution? thats wierd.
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maybe we dont understand each other. i believe that evolution(everyting emerging from one cell) is false. however, i believe that evolution(slight changes in characteristics between two generations) is true.

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So's gravity - I don't hear you complaining about that


We can test gravity simply. Throw a ball in the air, it comes back down. It is so unlikely that a ball wouldn't come back down that we would say 3rd party sources were assisting the ball if it refused to come back to us. Now think of a test for evolution. And tell me how that goes.
ShinyCowBeast
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if you really need evidence for christianity, check this out

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