I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
maybe we dont understand each other. i believe that evolution(everyting emerging from one cell) is false. however, i believe that evolution(slight changes in characteristics between two generations) is true.
then you are on the right way. only has evolution no evidense to proof it's idea of "everyting emerging from one cell" so yea that might be false. and is even most likely false. because abiogenesis says that new life is still being created even today. so if we can proof abiogenesis right then we proof evolution wrong on the idea that "everyting is emerging from one cell" but we will still have loads of proof that life slightly changes the characteristics and physics of organisme over time.
Creationist and Intelligent design proponents often like to describe the theory of evolution as just a theory. This relies on equivocating the common usage of the term theory (meaning "idea" or "guess" with the scientific meaning. Theories are the single highest level of scientific achievement and nothing is just a theory - that would be like saying Bill Gates is just a multibillionaire. Additionally, one might say that the notion of evolution is "just a theory" in the same way that Cell Theory and the Theory of Gravitation (fundamental principles of biology and physics, respectively) are "just theories."
Anyway, if you'd have taken the time to check out some of the relevant links on Mages profile, you'd understand that we can and HAVE observe evolution.
@shift I know you already debated with the others the thing with free will and god's visionary abilities, but please explain again, how can you believe in both? Free will is about decisions that not even god can influence, or else it is no true free will. God may know what the outcome of each and every decision and, on a bigger scale, each and every scenario might be. But he doesn't know what will actually happen in the future, everything he can is predict with a certain probability. That is, if free will is true.
Shiny, you obviously still don't understand what a Scientific theory is. Yes, they are not "100%" proven, nothing in science is, BECAUSE it has to remain falsifiable in order to be changed if we ever DO find that there's something incorrect with it. At the moment there is NOTHING against it, and what it proposes it able to be observed and backed up. That's as close to 100% as you can get.
At the moment there is NOTHING against it, and what it proposes it able to be observed and backed up.
you forget what the main topic is that were discussing here.religon. that is something against it.
@avorne i asked you to quote, not give me links. when you give me links i have to find what your talking about rather than just discussing it, which is what were here for
i asked you to quote, not give me links. when you give me links i have to find what your talking about rather than just discussing it, which is what were here for
How about you just read it, in order to not take anything out of context (hehe)? There are some things that can't be said in one phrase. And the second link isn't so much to read, really.
Shiny - religion is not science and it has no place in any of the same areas as science. Religion is purely faith-based where as science is best on observance and fact.
The first article is fairly long but it gives a lot of context to the findings - I couldn't have really extracted the keypoints from it without damaging the overall quality. The second one is fairly short and to the point so I figured that maybe it wouldn't be too taxing on your brain to just spend a few minutes reading.
How about you just read it, in order to not take anything out of context (hehe)? There are some things that can't be said in one phrase. And the second link isn't so much to read, really.
if i read all of that, who knows how long it would take me
maybe it wouldn't be too taxing on your brain to just spend a few minutes reading.
as i just pointed out it would take longer than a few minutes. would you like to give me a quote to work with now?
In 1971, biologists moved five adult pairs of Italian wall lizards from their home island of Pod Kopiste, in the South Adriatic Sea, to the neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru. Now, an international team of researchers has shown that introducing these small, green-backed lizards, Podarcis sicula, to a new environment caused them to undergo rapid and large-scale evolutionary changes.
âStriking differences in head size and shape, increased bite strength and the development of new structures in the lizardâs digestive tracts were noted after only 36 years, which is an extremely short time scale,â says Duncan Irschick, a professor of biology at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. âThese physical changes have occurred side-by-side with dramatic changes in population density and social structure.â
Examination of the lizardâs digestive tracts revealed something even more surprising. Eating more plants caused the development of new structures called cecal valves, designed to slow the passage of food by creating fermentation chambers in the gut, where microbes can break down the difficult to digest portion of plants. Cecal valves, which were found in hatchlings, juveniles and adults on Pod Mrcaru, have never been reported for this species, including the source population on Pod Kopiste.
�Striking differences in head size and shape, increased bite strength and the development of new structures in the lizard�s digestive tracts were noted after only 36 years,
this was most likely caused by genetic engineering, which is not at all evolution. also if you do not think that is true it says that the biologists moved the lizards, which caused things to happen which would not have happened. in the period of time when we all were supposedly cells, humans were not yet there to meddle in nature, which further lessens the likelyhood of evolution
