I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
There is evidence of a much earlier story that nearly mirrors Jesus
Yes, i first heard of this man during the documentary Religulous (Religious/ridiculous) which was very interesting. Do you know any details of the man in questions death? (As in the first "Jesus" as such)
I've not been around for much of this threads time, but I'm sure some people would disagree. Are there pages / arguments in particular that you think have remained unanswered?
He's probably referring to the numerous times he's brought up miracles where we have found other likely causes or he has added events that are not described in any of his sources, then claiming we didn't answer how those events happened.
I found this but i'd need to watch the documentary again to figure out what was said.
Yes there are parallels Though since that link brought them up I suggest not trusting Zeitgeist or Bill Maherâs movie. Zeitgeist while does have factual information it also heavily laces it with faulty logic and fallacies. Bill Maher's movie seemed to me to be like an atheist version of Expelled.
Bill Maher's movie seemed to me to be like an atheist version of Expelled.
I don't know, i think a lot of what he said raises a lot of questions in modern society, mainly in reference to his piece on homosexuality and politicians.
The link you posted about the first messiah was greatly welcomed though, very interesting.
[quoteFrom what I can gather of the possible existence of a historical Jesus he likely orchestrated his own death in order to become a martyr.[/quote] This would match up with the Gospel of Judas.
In contrast to the canonical gospels which paint Judas as a betrayer of Christ who delivered him up to the authorities for crucifixion, the Gospel of Judas portrays Judas's actions as done in obedience to instructions given by Christ. The document also suggests that Christ planned the course of events which led to his death. The Gospel of Judas does not claim that the other disciples knew about Jesus's true teachings. On the contrary, it asserts that they had not learned the true Gospel, which Jesus taught only to Judas Iscariot, the sole follower belonging to the "holy generation" among the disciples.
For those who either don't want to or can't view the previous link.
Open up you eyes can't you see the world is fallen
(here we go with this bull**** again)
listen with your ears can't you hear the lord calling
(mother****er that's just the wind)
and this is the reason why superstitions begin cause we looking for facts and you people playing pretend but sometimes I feel this **** will just never end and we gotta keep arguing over and over again
It's all nonsense....plus you just a little overconfident especially when all you doing is just talking ****
I'll bet the farm on it That no apologist you think is prominent believes enough to bet his ****ing arm on it
It's all smoke and mirrors not impressive I don't hear ya mastered philosophy so I guess I'm suppose to fear ya
but it's just double talk and judging by your word play your making up for a lack of evidence so now you compensate
your just not looking strong I think you need to step along I hear you say you're seeking truth I think you got your method wrong
labeled an atheist but I don't need a lexicon to find a word that signifies I don't believe in leprechauns
remove from the table the myths and the fables and maybe your able to find something a little more stable
and I'll admit that I don't know one hundred percent but I'll hardly be convinced with all the stories you present
SO GET BENT
Open up you eyes can't you see the world is fallen
(here we go with this bull**** again)
listen with your ears can't you hear the lord calling
(mother****er that's just the wind)
and this is the reason why superstitions begin cause we looking for facts and you people playing pretend but sometimes I feel this **** will just never end and we gotta keep arguing over and over again
powers of observation overflow with limitations but as we advance we're collecting a lot of information
that's why I'm sometimes overwhelmed with feelings of frustration to hear these organizations with these exaggerations
claiming details of heavenly abodes instead of admitting and telling the truth is they don't know
and now they want to **** with the schools that my kids go to introduce their magic into the science well **** no
twisting the data to say their god was all involved claiming we came from statues that never did evolved
thinking that somehow the bible myths will backup science their arrogant and ignorant and disturbingly defiant
pushing the idea of science based conspiracy and politicians supporting that bull**** officially
to get the votes of all borderline illiterates our status slips fast but they don't give a ****
Open up you eyes can't you see the world is fallen
(here we go with this bull**** again)
listen with your ears can't you hear the lord calling
(mother****er that's just the wind)
and this is the reason why superstitions begin cause we looking for facts and you people playing pretend but sometimes I feel this **** will just never end and we gotta keep arguing over and over again
Are there pages / arguments in particular that you think have remained unanswered?
In fact quite a lot, but they are narrowly spread throughout the whole topic, so I have to sift through it again to provide a list. There's a MGW's response about "likely causes" and "details that are not in the sources", so let's start with the miracle of Fatima, and the evidence that descrivbes sun as "at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat.". So far this has not been addressed, as well as "Engineers that have studied the case reckoned that an incredible amount of energy would have been necessary to dry up those pools of water that had formed on the field in a few minutes as it was reported by witnesses." Source
This is another thing :/ What is the belief though? Not all Christians believe the world is 6,000 years old
Basically, less than half instead of "not all" but they exist and they are numerous. This belief is more of the Judaism, but even back there psalms exist that say "For you a thousand year is like yesterday as it passes".
Closed-mindedness is the unreasonable distrust / hate / refusal of things. In this case it would apply to religious people being unable to accept a fact or near-100% proven theory, that has more ground than a religious stance, or an Atheist not keeping perspective that explanations > cheesy remarks, and goes with the latter.
Well, for a believer there is more to support religion than for the atheist, so an atheist cannot objectively measure the groungs of a believer's support, and mistakingly evaluates them as being less than his own, while for the believer it's still more. I expect that both the opponents are closed-minded in such a case.
Which is a cover to him not being real. Right now I've no reason to believe he's real, rather than countless people - many of which I know have been indoctrinated, saying he is. It's essentially the same as a conspiracy theory.
I really expect the conspiration theory to actually be proven true someday, but yes this theory is one mean approach to a concept of "God of atheists".
