I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
how is being greedy by nature (god made you that way you said) fair to a eternity in hell?
your a hopeless piece of sh!t. you only answerd whit bullsh!t lines that do not answerd our questions. if you do not answerd our questions then how can i convert to christianiy? you say god dislikes me, but god may not judge on my soul. how can god dislike me of he is all-loving?
you are ignoring evry question you can not answerd and then give answerds that has nothing to do whit the conversation at hand.
how is being greedy by nature (god made you that way you said) fair to a eternity in hell?
Nobody can overcome sin. We are equipped to overcome it, but we cannot. We are saved from hell by grace in Jesus. I answered this.
if you do not answerd our questions then how can i convert to christianiy?
I do answer your questions. This isn't about converting you to Christianity. I solemnly believe it cannot happen over the internet. I am just correcting misconceptions so that someone in real life might have an easier time bringing you to the light.
your a hopeless piece of sh!t.
If you say so.
you say god dislikes me, but god may not judge on my soul.
I never said God dislikes you. The Bible never says God dislikes you. Sinning and not believing saddens him, but he doesn't dislike you.
you are ignoring evry question you can not answerd and then give answerds that has nothing to do whit the conversation at hand.
I have tried to answer every question thrown at me. If I miss it, keep throwing it at the wall until it sticks, I will answer it the best I can eventually.
how is being greedy by nature (god made you that way you just said) fair to a eternity in hell?
You're wrong about being greedy by nature. Selfish, maybe, but it's an instinct so we have mind and will to overcome it. And we are taught that helping others does us good (and it does indeed, we feel happier if we help someone). So being selfish up till the end is basically living a life of an animal. Animals either don't have souls, or have mortal souls (question open), so you are placed with them - into a grave and Hell, as there's no place in eternal life for one whose soul belongs to the dead.
Nobody can overcome sin. We are equipped to overcome it, but we cannot. We are saved from hell by grace in Jesus. I answered this.
Do us a favor and don't tell us what we can and can't do. I've seen the morals of your God and I actually hate the idea of him because of it. Even if he were real (which by the way you have not proven thus far) I would despise him, he doesn't give proof / evidence of him being there (don't attempt to say I cannot see it in virtually everything ever, I'm talking BLATANT proof that is undisputedly done by a higher being), and then will send us to hell when we're given the oppurtunity to blindly accept him.
Mmhmm, sounds like a very fun bloke.
No, we have the power to overcome sin. We chose not to because we are weak and mortal.
I know I'm stronger than God, because I am real. There is proof that I am real - birth certificate, pictures / videos of me, and the fact that I am the one here right now typing. You know what this typing is doing? Nothing. It's not time being used constructively because it's very evident you will not listen. Goodbye.
Do us a favor and don't tell us what we can and can't do. I've seen the morals of your God and I actually hate the idea of him because of it. Even if he were real (which by the way you have not proven thus far) I would despise him, he doesn't give proof / evidence of him being there (don't attempt to say I cannot see it in virtually everything ever, I'm talking BLATANT proof that is undisputedly done by a higher being), and then will send us to hell when we're given the oppurtunity to blindly accept him.
You can't prove he exists. But you can't prove he doesn't exist either. You neglected to point out why you would hate him if he existed.
I know I'm stronger than God, because I am real. There is proof that I am real - birth certificate, pictures / videos of me, and the fact that I am the one here right now typing. You know what this typing is doing? Nothing. It's not time being used constructively because it's very evident you will not listen. Goodbye.
When all you do is come into the topic, shoot a gun in the air, and leave, does not mean you are saying anything. By listening to what you have said, I have come to the conclusion you have a strong dislike for God, and don't believe it.
Yet we see altruistic behaviour in certain animals too - does that mean that these animals have immortal souls?
Like how? Care to provide sources and examples instead of just making claims?
page 244 and 245
Here's an Idea. Why don't you go to those pages, and copy what you want me to respond to, and paste it here. So I don't have to respond to everything on those pages; again.
[quote] [quote] This whole example becomes moot for the argument if God already has predetermined/foreseen all such actions ahead of time
Whatever you chose to do, sit or stand, walk or drive, look up or down, God knows the consequences of those actions. It is your job to decide what you will do.[/quote]
[quote]Yes but if predestination holds true then God already knows which one of those actions you'll choose anyway so he already knows who's going to Heaven and who's going to Hell before anyone is even born.
And then we return to the book of life, which God sealed so that our souls may not be judged according to how he created us. To make the spiritual world more fair. [/quote][/quote]
[quote] And then we return to the book of life, which God sealed so that our souls may not be judged according to how he created us. To make the spiritual world more fair.
how is being greedy by nature (god made you that way you just said) fair to a eternity in hell?[/quote]
He created you. He told you what is right, and what is wrong. And you disobeyed him. You neglect to even believe he exists.
Why would he ever want to spend eternity with you?
[quote] He created you. He told you what is right, and what is wrong. And you disobeyed him. You neglect to even believe he exists.
Why would he ever want to spend eternity with you?
that doesn't answerd my question. [/quote]
[quote] Why would he ever want to spend eternity with you?
if i'm so bad in his eyes then why am i not dead yet? and i you jus said that "our souls may not be judged according to how he created us" but you also say he already judged me for how he made me (greedy)
also, what happend to the all-loving god of yours. you say he dislikes me. [/quote]
[quote] if i'm so bad in his eyes then why am i not dead yet? and i you jus said that "our souls may not be judged according to how he created us" but you also say he already judged me for how he made me (greedy)
You will die after you deny your last chance to come to his glory. It won't be instant, It may be 10, 20, or even 80 years from that time, but the only reason you are still alive is to be brought back to the light.[/quote]
i havn't seen this last 1 because i was asleep already. but it again doesn't answerd my question. you only respond to the 1st sentence not the other 2.
You can't prove he exists. But you can't prove he doesn't exist either.
you claim he exists. and yet you can not proof he exists. we did not make the claim he is real. and neither have we been given proof of him being existing. wich we can try to proof wrong.
you are the 1 that needs to give proof wich you fail to give. we can't proof anything if there is nothing to work whit.
Seriously? With the whole predestined for hell thing again? I answered that on the third to last post on this page with links, and summarized it on the third to last post on this page.
how is being greedy by nature (god made you that way you just said) fair to a eternity in hell?
You were not made to be greedy. We do not have the ability to not be greedy, since the fall of Mankind. So we are given a savior, who went to hell for 3 days, and resurrected on the third day, so that we don't have to pay for being greedy. All you need to do is believe.
also, what happend to the all-loving god of yours. you say he dislikes me.
He doesn't dislike you. He is benevolent. I answered this.
if i'm so bad in his eyes then why am i not dead yet? and i you jus said that "our souls may not be judged according to how he created us" but you also say he already judged me for how he made me (greedy)
You aren't dead so that you might be brought back into the light. I never said he judged you for being greedy. You will be judged on the day you die. If you have faith, you are sinless. If not, you go to hell.
I have already answered most of these questions, very specifically. Just read what I have written.
you are the 1 that needs to give proof wich you fail to give. we can't proof anything if there is nothing to work whit.
Keep in mind you don't have any proof either. Everything science believes is simply "Excessively likely", because you cannot run the tests an infinite number of times.
Keep in mind you don't have any proof either. Everything science believes is simply "Excessively likely", because you cannot run the tests an infinite number of times.
science can test and experiment whit it's theory's. we draw our conclusions from those tests and experiments.
religion can not test or experiment whit it's idea. they know the conclusions but are always seeking for evidense to back it up. and after 2000 year of seeking there is nothing to test or experiment whit, so we can see that your conclusions are right.
