I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
how about this: iraq has all this oil. the oil comes from plants. that is most likely where the garden of eden was. the bible says that the garden of eden was between two rivers (tigris and euphrates) does that not also confirm the location?
If said garden was documented to be between the two rivers, that is it. It does not imply anything supernatural, such as angels watching over the garden, nor two of the very first humans showing up here "when the Earth was very young 6000 years ago". If anything, it could have been documented geographically, and that would be all she wrote. But of course, on the mundane side of things, the claim of the two first humans being put here is a false claim. Humans have been on the planet far earlier than that, and having two humans there would not sustain the population as the Bible claims would have continued on. Furthermore, said abundance of oil could not possibly have been created all in 6000 years by plants alone, but rather the oil had millions of years of breaking down.
i think there is a lot of evidence. how about this: iraq has all this oil. the oil comes from plants. that is most likely where the garden of eden was. the bible says that the garden of eden was between two rivers (tigris and euphrates) does that not also confirm the location?
It is evidence that there were a large amount of biological organisms existing there at one point, but your assertion that these particular organisms were from the Garden of Eden is not supported. Also the existence of oil is evidence that the world is far older then what can be extrapolated from the Bible.
Well 'Freakenstien', u have a point but then agin heaven or hell isnt a physical place like earth and flesh.
Doesn't matter, since our senses are the result of physical interactions.
If said garden was documented to be between the two rivers, that is it. It does not imply anything supernatural, such as angels watching over the garden, nor two of the very first humans showing up here "when the Earth was very young 6000 years ago". If anything, it could have been documented geographically, and that would be all she wrote. But of course, on the mundane side of things, the claim of the two first humans being put here is a false claim. Humans have been on the planet far earlier than that, and having two humans there would not sustain the population as the Bible claims would have continued on. Furthermore, said abundance of oil could not possibly have been created all in 6000 years by plants alone, but rather the oil had millions of years of breaking down.
the only place i have ever heard of the garden of eden is the bible, which says Adam and Eve were there. if you believe the garden of eden exists why wouldnt you believe that they were placed there? also, i cant remember me or the bible ever mentioning that earth was created 6000 years ago.
'Freak' if u do take every thing in the literal it will seem like a fairytale yes. Most of the stories of the bible are metaphorical, and symbolical. For example the sun turning black and moon blood red, well if uve ever seen a wild fire blanket the sky with smoke then ull see something similar. Like the oceans turning red, look at what happens when u have a major oil spill under the ocean...
Genotype is an organisms full hereditary information, even if not expressed. This is observed in any species including humans where we see on average around 150 mutations between parent and offspring. That's a change int he genotype.
Except mutations are generally bad, and the body tries to prevent them. There are good mutations, like a catfish losing its eyes in lightless caves, to prevent infections.
Then open your eyes, do some reading, pull your fingers out of your ears and stop going "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING" and we won't be stuck anymore.
If anything, I am obviously not doing this. I have a very good general understanding of the process of evolution; in fact, I know a lot more about it then some of my friends who are atheist.
Genotype is an organisms full hereditary information, even if not expressed. This is observed in any species including humans where we see on average around 150 mutations between parent and offspring. That's a change int he genotype. Phenotype is the observed properties. For example the Italian wall lizards that developed an entirely new digestive system or the already mentioned ring species. These are observe properties of a species changing resulting in new species.
Thank you for belittling me by telling me what I already know. Yes, I know what Genotype and Phenotype mean.
Captured lizards were transported to a field laboratory and measured for snout-vent length, head dimensions and body mass. Tail clips taken for DNA analysis confirmed that the Pod Mrcaru lizards were genetically identical to the source population on Pod Kopiste. Observed changes in head morphology were caused by adaptation to a different food source.
If you were to place the lizards back in their normal enviroment, would their systems change back to normal?
Does evolution have to be Global? Can it only occur in the reptile family tree?
No it's not a waste of time, I've pointed out to you some of the applied benefits we have gained from this theory already.
I didn't mean it would be a waste. I meant that testing it is impractical because of the materials needed to make a closed enviroment seemed open.
the only place i have ever heard of the garden of eden is the bible, which says Adam and Eve were there. if you believe the garden of eden exists why wouldnt you believe that they were placed there? also, i cant remember me or the bible ever mentioning that earth was created 6000 years ago.
I entertained the thought, yes. I don't completely dismiss the idea that MAN coined "The Garden of Eden" as a landmark once on geographical maps. I'm entertaining the idea of the mundane Garden of Eden, but completely dismissing the notion of the supernatural concepts of it.
Most of the stories of the bible are metaphorical, and symbolical. For example the sun turning black and moon blood red, well if uve ever seen a wild fire blanket the sky with smoke then ull see something similar. Like the oceans turning red, look at what happens when u have a major oil spill under the ocean...
If one is to try and claim the Bible, and the concepts behind the Bible and religion, as fact, then they should keep away from spinning tales of metaphors, aphorisms, and similes. We are trying to prove something here, not entertain the readers with propaganda.
Perceiving is defined as being used with your 5 senses, aka touch, hear, sight, smell, and taste. Not the mind with pre-conceived notions
these people werent pre-conceiving anyting. they saw heaven and/ or hell, then told the 700 club about it
It is evidence that there were a large amount of biological organisms existing there at one point, but your assertion that these particular organisms were from the Garden of Eden is not supported.
when we have the evidence of former plant life here, no theories of other locations for the garden of eden, and no theories as to why there is an overwhelming amount of oil there, i find it quite safe to say that the garden of eden was there
these people werent pre-conceiving anyting. they saw heaven and/ or hell, then told the 700 club about it
"Saw" means using the eyes as vision. Razinskie here has claimed that Heaven and Hell is not a matter of physicality but mentality. If these people claimed they saw Heaven and Hell, then they are also claiming Heaven and Hell is physically here. But Razinskie claimed Heaven and Hell exists mentally, therefore out of the reach of the senses, as he pointed out. So which is it? Why such ambiguity?
theres no proof of science or christianity so if my crazy tales r propaganda urs are just as false.
Look...Science has evidence of each theory filled with evidence, examples, and peer-reviewed experiments to back up the evidence, while noting that anything found contrary will destroy everything once thought of said theory. And this is true for all. This is going to sound biased, Razinskie, but you are correct about religion in general not having proof. Because religion is based on faith, and faith is defined as "belief that is not based on proof:". It is only natural that religion would have no proof to back up their assertions. But Science? Science is mundane. They answer questions about the unknown universe, not mental bodies that can never be physically reached by matter other than "a soul".
Except mutations are generally bad, and the body tries to prevent them. There are good mutations, like a catfish losing its eyes in lightless caves, to prevent infections.
No generally they are neutral, meaning they have no effect either way. Detrimental mutations often don't get passed on due to natural selection, the mechanism driving evolution.
If anything, I am obviously not doing this. I have a very good general understanding of the process of evolution; in fact, I know a lot more about it then some of my friends who are atheist.
Given your comments here I'm not seeing that understanding.
Thank you for belittling me by telling me what I already know. Yes, I know what Genotype and Phenotype mean.
Considering your statement "We also can observe favorable traits, but we cannot observe an alteration in the genotype or phenotype of any creature through natural means." this doesn't seem apparent.
If you were to place the lizards back in their normal enviroment, would their systems change back to normal?
They would likely adapt to the new environment. As for them going back to being exactly as they were probably not.
Does evolution have to be Global? Can it only occur in the reptile family tree?
No it doesn't occur in phylogenetic brand reptiles are on. The family tree of life is formed as the result of evolution representing the relationship between all species.
Honestly, I think MageGrayWolf needs to be quiet about evolution. Because Charles Darwin, the one who practically started plenty of this evolution stuff, was a Christian. So honestly, I dont think the topic of evolution should be brought up when trying to disprove Christianity. But hey, that's just me.
Well pballaddict, through the though the years other scientists check his work and dublicate his experiments to check for flaws. Over the years his theory has been polished to be as correct as possible.
