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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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partydevil
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evolution was manufactured by humans

hehe thats a good 1. i realy had to LoL xD
TRUdog
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Evolution is being described by humans, but the process is there whether we research it or not. We didn't make it up.

What an intensely subjective statement. How do you know for certain that evolution is real? There is no real way to be 100% positive.
Kasic
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What an intensely subjective statement. How do you know for certain that evolution is real? There is no real way to be 100% positive.


Can you see your finger? Yes. Okay then, are you 100% sure that your finger is real? Yes? Well, we can see evolution too. So why is that not 100% real?
TRUdog
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Can you see your finger? Yes. Okay then, are you 100% sure that your finger is real? Yes? Well, we can see evolution too. So why is that not 100% real?

Yes, I suppose we can see minor creatures evolving... over the course of hundreds of years. But were you alive to see the Earth formed? Or to see human being evolve from monkeys?
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What an intensely subjective statement. How do you know for certain that evolution is real? There is no real way to be 100% positive.

You're completely right, we can't know for sure that evolution is really 100% like we think it is; it most probably isn't. But we're definitely pretty close, and it would be stupid to brush all the evidence aside as if it was nothing.
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TRUdog, take a trip down a few pages past this current one or go to Mage's profile and select a topic you are unsure of. Everything you questioned is answered with "experimentation, searching, and drawing conclusions from data found".

Because, y'know, we can do that and stuff.

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i'm just wondering... has anyone ever seen the video of Richard Dawkins trying to answer the question of," Have you ever seen an example of a gene mutation that adds information to a geome?" [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmivzmA1e7U]

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MageGrayWolf
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Sorry, didnt know what i was ignoring, can you tell me please?


Do I really have to hold your hand to the top of a page? or the part of my own post we will get to next?

ra' did not mean evil.it meant not good. this may have been the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden. This is the first time i have seen this.i havent read isaih yet, that is from http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/c ⦠ml


Yes it does. As for apologetic sites it can sit and spin.
http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/7451.htm

To further this I'm sure your familiar with Psalms 23. Specifically Psalms 23:4
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

I'm sure you will agree that the translation here is "fear no evil" well the word used here for evil is ra'.

No, offense, but evolution was manufactured by humans. i said


Evolution is both a fact (An objective, verifiable observation. They can be, and have been, verified many times.) and theory (A scientific explanation of related observations or events based on hypotheses and verified multiple times by different independent researchers.). What it is not is something that we just made up, unlike your religion.

He does not create sin, but He does create other bad or evil things. God creates hell, and that is a bad (evil) thing for people, but it is not sin, and it is perfectly consistent with God's Word to create it.


Now your just contradicting yourself. "God did not create evil" "does create other bad or evil things"

How do you know for certain that evolution is real? There is no real way to be 100% positive.


We've seen it happen in both nature and the lab.

Yes, I suppose we can see minor creatures evolving...


We've seen more than just bacteria.

over the course of hundreds of years. But were you alive to see the Earth formed? Or to see human being evolve from monkeys?


Don't need to be, we have both fossil and genetic evidence for it. Just like you don't need to be there to see two cars crash into each other to know they did when you see two mangled cars on the side of a road.
Also your arguments works two ways as you can now no longer claim to be 100% positive God created the earth as you weren't there.

i'm just wondering... has anyone ever seen the video of Richard Dawkins trying to answer the question of," Have you ever seen an example of a gene mutation that adds information to a geome?"


I can, the Italian Wall Lizard for example, when transplanted to a new location developed new genetic traits from added genetic information giving it a new .
While not a favorable trait Down Syndrome is also an example of added genetic information in the form of a 21st chromosome.
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Yes it does. As for apologetic sites it can sit and spin.
http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/7451.htm

To further this I'm sure your familiar with Psalms 23. Specifically Psalms 23:4
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

I'm sure you will agree that the translation here is "fear no evil" well the word used here for evil is ra'.

you are most likely use different versions of the bible.

Evolution is both a fact (An objective, verifiable observation. They can be, and have been, verified many times.) and theory (A scientific explanation of related observations or events based on hypotheses and verified multiple times by different independent researchers.). What it is not is something that we just made up, unlike your religion.

look, i'm sensing some hostility in this, im not trying to insult you or anything.ok? Our religion has science backing it up as well.in fact the bible its self has been written by different authors in different places in different times. Yet they all match up. How is that possible? By a divine being. GOD.
(im leaving part of that unaswered because that's what you seem to be angered about.)

Now your just contradicting yourself. "God did not create evil" "does create other bad or evil things"

your misunderstanding what im saying. God created (ra' God himself did not create evil.
We've seen it happen in both nature and the lab.

Incorrect.As far as i know you did NOT create in the lab. Scientists have tried and failed. they've been trying to evolve bugs.they have created different versions, but these can not fly or are not fertile.
And now you contradict yourself. Acorrding to evolution, the process take "millions" of years. You can not live for "millions" of years.

Yes, I suppose we can see minor creatures evolving...

we can not see minor creatures evolving.we can see natural selction

Don't need to be, we have both fossil and genetic evidence for it. Just like you don't need to be there to see two cars crash into each other to know they did when you see two mangled cars on the side of a road.
Also your arguments works two ways as you can now no longer claim to be 100% positive God created the earth as you weren't there.

actually, you have seen fossils, but you have not seen your inbetween fossil what is it called again?
the mangled car has happened in the near past, according to you this is the far past.Actually, though adam and eve did not see creation itself, they did see God.

i'm just wondering... has anyone ever seen the video of Richard Dawkins trying to answer the question of," Have you ever seen an example of a gene mutation that adds information to a geome?"

I can, the Italian Wall Lizard for example, when transplanted to a new location developed new genetic traits from added genetic information giving it a new .
While not a favorable trait Down Syndrome is also an example of added genetic information in the form of a 21st chromosome.

that was freakinstein giving an example on a account he had just made......
Kasic
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in fact the bible its self has been written by different authors in different places in different times. Yet they all match up. How is that possible?


It's not, and they don't match up. Hence the hundreds of contradictions in the Bible, as well as all the books written by people that go so far as to say Jesus wasn't the son of god.

Acorrding to evolution, the process take "millions" of years. You can not live for "millions" of years.


Millions of years to change quite noticably. You can see small changes quite fast with things that reproduce quickly.

but you have not seen your inbetween fossil what is it called again?


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Would someone get him a fossil record site? I really don't feel like wasting my time as it will be ignored probably.

that was freakinstein giving an example on a account he had just made......


What?
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Warrior from beyond there are things that we don't know. But instead of admitting it you do the (Insert God here) in all the things we don't know. Second of all Natural Selection over time is evolution so you just contradicted yourself again or you know little to none about the subject.

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It's not, and they don't match up. Hence the hundreds of contradictions in the Bible, as well as all the books written by people that go so far as to say Jesus wasn't the son of god.

firstly, you left off the end of my comment, thats manipulative. And there are NO contradictions in my version of the bible. i know some cultures have extra books.

Millions of years to change quite noticably. You can see small changes quite fast with things that reproduce quickly.

wait, so now your say evolution is fast?

What?

he just made an account, faved a few games threw up some comments so it looked good i think.
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he just made an account, faved a few games threw up some comments so it looked good i think.


Exsqueeze me? Honey, that link has hundreds of thousands of views and thousands of likes/dislikes, if I did that in just a few hours, I'd be amazed with myself.
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wait, so now your say evolution is fast?

If you take an organism that reproduces at a faster rate than humans, it is easier to see genetic changes between generations.

Evolution is fast depending on the environmental conditions and the reproduction rate of the species undergoing evolution.
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