I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
He does something, and even more, it's that we don't usually see Him doing that.
"I think I haven't said anything that states that "God directly causes this and that""
No contradiction detected. "This and that" meant certain things, while "something" is uncertain.
Since we don't know what the right direction is, assuming there is a God, it's just as likely he wants us all to be atheists.
Too thick. You have already been told that God wants us to be of His, to willingly accept Him as God. And now you grab a "left or right, provided the destination is the same" situation and pervert it.
Anyway from a more Biblical perspective wasn't hell created by God for the devil to dwell in?
Hmm, I have to consider this more closely, it's possible that I did make a mistake here. Still, if we sin, we create darkness that will eventually make us end up in Hell, if we won't turn to God.
Evolution DOES make sense. If you say it doesn't, it's only because you quite simply don't know what you're talking about.
Creationism, however, has many contradictions withen itself, and has been proven false on more than one account via geology and astronomy, along with other fields of science.
Creationism, however, has many contradictions withen itself, and has been proven false on more than one account via geology and astronomy, along with other fields of science.
That is because creationism, unlike the theory of evolution, is nothing more than a pseudoscience and about as accurate as astrology.
Quick question, is the christian god generally(biblically) believed to be omnipresent, or is that only a statement some individual christians have made?
Quick question, is the christian god generally(biblically) believed to be omnipresent, or is that only a statement some individual christians have made?
I believe, that, biblically, God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving. He is perfect in every way, and everything he does is beyond our understand.
Perfect way to just bull**** an answer, huh?
I've already gone over how you can't be Omnipresent, Omnibenevolent, and Omnipowerful all at once, else this world would be perfect.
Ugh. This is like explaining why red is not blue, but here we go. If God is perfect, then he is all-powerful, knows everything, and makes nothing without intention. If he intended everything that has happened to happen before it happened, then everything is predetermined.
Too thick. You have already been told that God wants us to be of His, to willingly accept Him as God. And now you grab a "left or right, provided the destination is the same" situation and pervert it.
So we don't know what the right path is but we know what God wants? Wouldn't that be a claim of knowing the right path if the right path is what God wants?
Anyway I might have to play with this idea of "God wants everyone to be atheist a bit more".
[quote]against what makes no ****ing sense (Evolution)
I believe, that, biblically, God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving. He is perfect in every way, and everything he does is beyond our understand.[/quote]
I have plenty of informative links on my profile if you want to educate yourself on the matter darthdave9, I will even be willing to post them here or in a message on your profile if you prefer.
That is because creationism, unlike the theory of evolution, is nothing more than a pseudoscience and about as accurate as astrology.
I don't think I would even call it pseudoscience. It's entirely belief based.
Yes, and I also believes he gives everyone a chance to be saved. In fact, this IS a chance. And you are all ignoring it, and in fact looking for fault within it. People have dedicated their lives to
For the last time, we are not predestined for hell.
Taking a look at that first link in your "For".
People choose to go to hell rather than submit their lives to God.
No we are choosing to wait until we have objectively verifiable evidence of any of this before we just to to deciding if we want to even follow said deity or not. Since we won't accept the claim of this deity as being real based solely on the words written and said by humans (that includes the Bible) we are some how automatically condemned. This system sounds like we are being condemned to hell for not being gullible.
You have absolute free will within the confines of your personal ability.
Once you introduce arbitrary punishments such as hell that are often akin to a parent giving a child a time out or spanking, but far worse, you make the idea of free will here moot as you are forcing a punishment for expressing that free will. It's only when we do what we are told often against what our will tells us that we are rewarded by this system.
You can prove this to yourself. Determine two possible courses of action. They don't have to be big decisions, just any two possible actions. Assign each action to either "heads" or "tails." Flip the coin and do what whatever course chance decided. You can do this as many times as needed to determine that you do, indeed, have free will. Occasionally, do the opposite of what the coins tell you. Has God prevented you from doing anything? No!
This whole example becomes moot for the argument if God already has predetermined/foreseen all such actions ahead of time.
I think I will stop here with the replies this is really just plain stupid.
This whole example becomes moot for the argument if God already has predetermined/foreseen all such actions ahead of time
Whatever you chose to do, sit or stand, walk or drive, look up or down, God knows the consequences of those actions. It is your job to decide what you will do.
Yes but if predestination holds true then God already knows which one of those actions you'll choose anyway so he already knows who's going to Heaven and who's going to Hell before anyone is even born.
